28th Sep 2019, 1:12 PM
HonFu
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I don't think so--could be wrong. The type of stuff(text/meme/challenge) you post can make a big difference. Alongside username, avatar and related psychological reasons + the magical ones;)🐉👍 This isn't to say I haven't noticed some quirks in the algorithm which leads to ordinary post being boosted to top--that was surprising & no i'm not going to tell what or how🤐 Maybe the algorithm's just not that optimal🤷 To get an accurate answer ask sololearn via in-app feedback or their email([email protected]) BTW, i have feed posts disabled so unless some mutual or direct follower comments there it's just not present in my feed.
28th Sep 2019, 3:19 PM
Lord Krishna
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~ swim ~, not sure. This place is quite instagramy after all, so why not? It would be very easy to increase or decrease the visibility of feed content if you want to. Personally, I feel like my feed posts are almost not seen at all by anybody, and if, they're all followers of mine. On the other hand, a lot of feed posts that don't seem spectacular (to say the least), are crazily frequented. I don't intend to say that the stuff I post necessarily has a high value or something, but I do feel a bit invisible whenever I'm not writing in an unfiltered place like here in q&a. And since I wrote many critical posts about Sololearn in the past... well, it would not *not* make sense. 😉 I don't want to spread conspiracy theories here - I just stumbled over the term... and wondered.
28th Sep 2019, 1:36 PM
HonFu
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HonFu I do agree if any spammer do an Ddos attack on website then shadow banning can be effective as they do those attack mostly by using proxy IP which tends hard to stop them by only ban. Instead banning the user ability of posting on forum can be removed or lock for those users is an good option
28th Sep 2019, 1:52 PM
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✳AsterisK✳, yeah, right? Clearly there's no relevance filter, because I have to read all the birthday wishes for people I didn't even know exist. On the other hand, if I scroll faaaaaar down, I sometimes find stuff where I think: This would make a lot more sense for me to see.
28th Sep 2019, 3:20 PM
HonFu
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If I remember correctly, shadow banning is not only used in case of spam but also with people who write radical or inflammatory stuff (and sometimes maybe far right people just claim they suffered shadow-banning 😉). Yeah, I don't see myself as a spammer either. But I think the difference in visibility between people is a bit strange. We often send beginners to post certain stuff in their personal feed instead of here, knowing they'll be posting directly into oblivion because they have no followers. I am approaching the 1000, though, and mostly, about five people seem to read what I write. I wonder how other users experience it...
28th Sep 2019, 2:12 PM
HonFu
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Sonic, lol, yeah... well, I can be a bit stubborn when I think I'm right - but I *want to* hear if I'm not as well! So, when I may come across as harsh, I may just want to get the fight... hum... discussion going, out of the relativistic 'now, now, well, well' into the 'Let's figure this out!' Should I change that? Or maybe I change the pic to a sunset or something - easier. 😂 I'm not necessarily just asking for myself, like 'Why am I invisible?', but for the users in general. It is all such a riddle, how that trending, hot today and all of that stuff works. Time and again, I wonder: 'How did this or that content climb that high? Doesn't make sense!' And vice versa.
28th Sep 2019, 2:41 PM
HonFu
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HonFu i have wonder too, but since am not paying for the service, its what they give i will take, most users i follow was for tbe purposes of there post and codes, but i see lots of irrelevant post even from users i don't follow, which is really absurd any way
28th Sep 2019, 3:17 PM
✳AsterisK✳
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The point of shadow banning is that the banned people *don't* know. They keep on posting and don't realize that they live in a vacuum or a small bubble of followers.
28th Sep 2019, 10:25 PM
HonFu
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Saurabh Tiwari, watch out - I have biiig muscles‼️🤣
28th Sep 2019, 4:40 PM
HonFu
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Actually what first made me think of the unlikeliness of feed life was the pseudo-quote mania. Often the lines they write don't even make sense - they look like something that has been mangled by google.translate a few times. Still, hundreds of upvotes, literally whatever it is. In some cases it looks like they're all in the same school class or something, but not always. And since upvotes are not anonymous, they can't be automatized support from Sololearn's side.
29th Sep 2019, 3:28 PM
HonFu
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HonFu i do get tired of even using the feed because of lots of the irrelevant posts, it should just be filter according to followed user, that will have been better
28th Sep 2019, 3:24 PM
✳AsterisK✳
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Sonic I totally agree with your views on HonFu 😅😂 Don't get me wrong!💐
28th Sep 2019, 4:38 PM
Saurabh Tiwari
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HonFu dont worry I think I am quite fast😂😂
28th Sep 2019, 4:43 PM
Saurabh Tiwari
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~ swim ~ in that case i better shut my mouth🤐
28th Sep 2019, 4:49 PM
Saurabh Tiwari
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Saurabh Tiwari no one want to get into one with HonFu the muscles are in excess
28th Sep 2019, 5:03 PM
✳AsterisK✳
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HonFu yeah, I understand that, but they are still not going to get attention or recognition which may well cause them to escalate things and make them feel more annoyed and victimised when they do find out they have been shadow banned. However, for spammers and scammers and such imo shadow banning does make sense as one option...
29th Sep 2019, 11:34 AM
Peter David Carter
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Newt in a sense artificially or algorithmically increasing the reach of some users at the expense of others is like a shadow ban for people whose reach is correspondingly decreased
29th Sep 2019, 3:40 PM
Peter David Carter
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Peter David Carter has put it quite well I think - reducing visibility of some would be the other side of the same coin enhancing it for others. It would be nice or helpful to know how this is handled under the hood, if people are rather invisible by default unless x=whateveritisyouneedtodo, or if people get invisiblized.
29th Sep 2019, 3:52 PM
HonFu
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Newt it's not the same as a shadow ban exactly, which is usually total... though that's pretty easy to detect, so the modern approach would probably be to favour reach reduction even when the real aim is actually total shadow ban. In a way I think the fact Sololearn are usually more permissive than other social media platforms leave them more open to criticism, because they allow critical people to remain here, where others kick out dissenters... But it's odd, very odd in fact, to see that like and view counts on some posts exceed the follower counts for these people and shows that there is definitely something else in play, especially since others with large numbers of follower get single digit views on some posts. Why?
29th Sep 2019, 4:15 PM
Peter David Carter
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Newt, I think if there's shadow ban, it doesn't apply to q&a: Everybody can see everything. So mods would have to hard-block a spammer here. For the other stuff, like feed, or maybe even codes... I dunno, you just see strange things happening. It's all so intransparent. If I am sb'ed or not... well, I'm not that big of a feedposter to begin with. Maybe there's a crowd of people who specifically only want to read feed babble? Then maybe I just don't have the right set of followers for that. 🤔😂
29th Sep 2019, 2:31 PM
HonFu
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