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What do you think about Kotlin and Swift for the future?

I heard from a programmer, Stefan Mischook, that Kotlin & Swift might fail in the future due to being native languages for an operating system. He also says that it might fail due to frameworks like Google's Flutter, only if it meets the expectations. So, I want to hear from you, what do you think about his point of view and what will happen to these incredible languages in the future? ((Please do not send him any hate. 😊)) Edit: All opinions/answers are appreciated!

9th Jun 2018, 2:48 PM
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Going to have to slightly disagree that them being native languages for an OS is what will cause them to fail; but i agree thats why they will fail xD If an OS is extremely popular, it wont fail anytime soon, unless something better comes along (examples: PalmOS and Blackberry OS [still being used]) Android and IOS are extremely dominant; but so were Palm and Blackberry.... 1) Swift isnt very popular anyway (compared to Objective C) so it will slowly go into obscurity. 2) Kotlin depends on if Android devs want to switch over. Since Andriod has been around almost a decade already; billions of apps have been created and updated with its native Java; so suddenly having to rewrite everything to kotlin..... NAH!! Kotlin looks cool and new., but I personally dont want to change over xD So yeah, kotlin might take a downfall, but since its newer, it wont happen soon either. Just my thoughts
9th Jun 2018, 3:12 PM
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「HAPPY TO HELP」 I had similar thoughts as well, maybe it will disappear into the void. Like you said, Kotlin is new and cool, and so is Swift (new-ish,) but unfortunately I have to say "Don't fix what isn't broken!" Don't get me wrong, I love Kotlin and Swift, but maybe...it might fade out because if I already work with Java, C, C++, ect. why write it again in a new language if it's already compatible? Thank you for your answer!
9th Jun 2018, 3:18 PM
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GODOFPC I agree, I don't want them to fade away. As I see it, there are many advantages of using Kotlin. Although, there wasn't anything broken from the beginning. To me it seems like Java was already an answer, but for beginners, I could see why Kotlin might survive. I like Kotlin a lot! It's biggest challenge according to Stefan is: "Java does the job just fine...frameworks like Google's Flutter may kill it." A comment also said: "They won't be teaching and testing Kotlin in college, instead they'd teach & testing things like Java basics." (Sum up of what they said.) Thanks for your answer! Just want to get sort of a discussion started. 😊
9th Jun 2018, 5:14 PM
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Uni I find them useful as well, the last thing he said was that he will not invest in Swift and Kotlin as in a professional manner... For us, the learners, we have to make the decision while still listening to the experienced and learning from them. So, it's still hard to say but, there still is a chance. While we are on the subject, I thought about something else I forgot to mention. He said that Swift would crash faster than Ruby would. As I see it, Ruby has still maintained its stable popularity.
9th Jun 2018, 8:10 PM
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That is a good way of looking at it, there is an opportunity for it to work, but it still has to go up against these new frameworks and older languages! The future looks bright for them? I sure hope so! ((He said the same thing about Ruby, and while Ruby might not be extremely popular, it is still a well, surviving language.)) So there are some things I see that might destroy that opportunity for Swift and Kotlin, hopefully not, I sure hope they exceed our expectations. Although, a lot of views from people are like: "Why fix something that isn't broken?" Don't get me wrong, I like both of the languages, it's just that it has a ton of competition. TRevor Hodges & Uni Thanks for your answers! 👍😊
9th Jun 2018, 7:47 PM
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You're welcome ✰✮ Seeing Stars ✮✰ 😆😉👍✌ As about Ruby, I am sooo sooo sooo glad that it is still alive, and I too see the same future for Kotlin and Swift: let's say that they don't have such a bright future, but at least I'm sure that both will at least survive just like Ruby (and I honestly hope these 3 programming languages won't fail because I like them soo much and I find them sooo useful....).
9th Jun 2018, 7:59 PM
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✰✮ Seeing Stars ✮✰ you're right!👍✌ As for Ruby, sadly, almost the only thing that keeps it alive is ROR, and thanks to this it will still be a round for a while. As for Swift and Kotlin, I just gave my opinion but honestly I don't really know what will happen with them, guess only time will tell 😉😉
9th Jun 2018, 9:03 PM
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I honestly don't think they will fail because people will probably see in Kotlin an easier alternative to Java (I do and there are a lot of people who left Java for Kotlin, moreover, both work smoothly together) and at least the Android "industry" will grow, and Kotlin in the same time with it (even though you can use Kotlin for so much more than just Android). As for Swift, I talked with one of my teachers about it once, and he told me that he saw a bright future for it, and that it is an relatively easy to learn/handle language with the "power" of C++ . He also told me that even though it is mainly used for IOS, other kind of apps can be made with it. So I don't think this two programming languages will fail.
9th Jun 2018, 7:40 PM
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I dont want them to fade away😣 Sometimes we have to upgrade like C++ -> Python (Short code, less error, fast work, Great for maintain big apps and For speed u can compile python into cpython ;)) Java -> Kotlin(Short code, Less Error, Fast work ) Objective C -> Swift (As the name suggests) I think companies should understand and give place to new lang.... Dunno About swift It might fade away But Kotlin isn't Native For Android u can make Desktop App with it (Runs with JVM) Its like someone Upgraded Java So it will get value in future initially python had no value but now its second most demanded lang
9th Jun 2018, 4:46 PM
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✰✮ Seeing Stars ✮✰ true ;) Youre welcome :) Great question!!
9th Jun 2018, 3:24 PM
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Uni True👍
9th Jun 2018, 7:41 PM
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I think we should discuss again 10 years later ^_^ (if we can : |)
9th Jun 2018, 9:55 PM
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Who knows at this point? It feels like maybe the frameworks are too good to be true...maybe they will survive, they are great languages that are easy for beginners to learn, unlike Java. (No offense, I like Java!) 👍😀
11th Jun 2018, 1:58 PM
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✰✮ Seeing Stars ✮✰ Yes I see 😲 My school will also teach me C++not python(New School Class XI😄) and YW 😊😊
9th Jun 2018, 5:19 PM
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don't know
9th Jun 2018, 5:01 PM
Charan Leo25
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I think any language that only works in just a few platforms will never survive. Language has to be far reaching and have the ability to adapt to new systems.
10th Jun 2018, 5:09 PM
Muse
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Swift seems to have a pretty bright future.
11th Jun 2018, 7:30 AM
Armin
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kotlin has future
9th Jun 2018, 10:41 PM
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swift has a long way to arrive to its goal, so wait for a time that i don't know how much...! ;)
10th Jun 2018, 1:16 PM
Mahdi Darabi
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kotlin might be more futurous
11th Jun 2018, 1:20 PM
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